bill clinton showed it. i mean, i long for the days of bill clinton when he saw the deficit going down and it was partly because of the republicans tying him up. as you said at the beginning, it prevented the government from doing its duty. that is what the system is supposed to do. it is designed that way. you see government not spend as much. that is when he sees real prosperity and when you see the debt actually start to go down [inaudible] >> how can you move that took place in 1993 -- [talking over each other] [talking over each other] >> you didn't remove the revenue. this is what matters. the tax rate is what everybody pays attention to. do what you should be paying attention to is how much are they actually bringing in. they were bringing in the same amount under the higher tax rate that they were under the lower tax rate. we never get above about 18 or 19% and revenue. about 70%, you still only got about 18 or 19% of gdp is your revenue. so that doesn't change. >> clinton raised taxes in 1993. by 20